Tuesday, August 29, 2006

They park, you pay

With schools in Charlotte-Mecklenburg and around the region open, seems like a good time to toss out some information about school traffic and school parking.

Why does morning traffic get so much worse when schools open? It isn’t just the buses. CMS’ 1,200 buses are only a drop in the bucket, traffic-wise, even if they do stop on the streets. For example, the city’s Transportation Department list of 2006 traffic counts shows that on Monday May 15, the average daily traffic, midblock on Fairview Road, west of Barclay Downs Drive, was 38,800.

What makes traffic get so much worse are the thousands of parents driving their kids to school.

I know this is a complicated issue. I’m not saying no parents should drive kids to school. Sometimes bus schedules are just too early/inconvenient/weird. Most of the CMS buses serve several schools – to use buses and drivers cost-efficiently – which means they have to start early. If you want one bus per school, be prepared to cough up more tax money. And yes, teens will whine relentlessly about how they need – need! – a car to drive to school instead of taking the bus which is for geeky freshmen, and so on.

But consider the following factoids I extracted from the folks at CMS who design new schools. When CMS buys land for schools, and has to design them, here’s what they’re required to supply:

High schools: Student parking for 350 cars. Staff parking for 170-200 cars. Visitor parking, 35 cars. The bus lot has to hold 40 buses.

It costs $4,000 to build one automobile (non-bus) parking space, in labor, asphalt, etc. That figure doesn’t include the land costs. So let’s see, figuring space for 200 staff cars, auto parking at a new CMS high school costs $2.34 million to build. That doesn’t include the cost of school bus parking, or land. Student parking alone is $1.4 million.

Let’s talk land. Figure a 9-by-18-foot student parking space, and you get 56,700 square feet for student parking. Figuring roughly $60,000-an-acre land costs (CMS director of architecture Tony Ansaldo cautions that’s a blunt estimate, and that each site is different, etc., etc.), and 43,560 square feet per acre, that’s $46,080 in land cost alone, for a 350-car student parking lot.

Here are stats for middle and elementary schools:

Middle: Staff parking, 138 cars. Visitor parking, 50 cars. Bus lot, 25 buses. Cost of parking (again, not including bus parking or land): $752,000.

Elementary: Staff/visitor parking, 125 cars. Cost of parking (not including bus space or land), $500,000.

Here’s something else driving up school-building costs. Schools have to build plenty of on-site “stacking” – a technical term that means driveway space to allow cars to line up one behind the other, as in car pool lines. The city of Charlotte doesn’t want any of those cars out on city streets, even small neighborhood streets. And in many cases CMS would want the stacking space regardless of CDOT requirements, for safety reasons.

High school stacking: 1,170 lineal feet, typically 12-foot-wide lanes, for 14,040 square feet of “stacking” – a hair shy of a third of an acre, and roughly $20,000 in land costs. (This doesn’t count paving cost.)

Middle schools: 2,003 lineal feet, totalling 24,036 square feet, or .55 of an acre, with estimated land cost of $33,100.

Elementary schools: 1,323 lineal feet, totalling 15,876 square feet, or .36 acre, land cost $21,600.

High schools have less, because more kids drive themselves. And park.

Obviously it’s not a good idea to let schools’ dropoff and pickup traffic clog busy streets, such as thoroughfares. But this IS a city, after all. We have a large and growing city bus system. Plus CMS runs its own public transit system, the school buses. It’s time to look closely at how much we’re spending to let students park and let parents sit in long carpool lines, at schools that are already paying to provide transportation.

Finally, consider this: If it’s a question of building a neighborhood school close enough to a neighborhood so kids can easily walk, and letting some cars back up on a neighborhood street for 15 minutes twice a day, or else building on a site big enough to accommodate more than a third of a mile of driveway on site (2,003 feet is .38 mile -- and remember, it takes up to half an acre more land), that’s a no-brainer.

Eastover Elementary was built in 1935 on a tight site smack in the middle of a neighborhood. I hear cars do stack up on Cherokee Road when school opens and lets out. Guess what? Neighborhood drivers may be annoyed now and again, but Eastover doesn’t seem to be hurting from it. It’s one of the city’s most desirable places to live.

Schools and transportation folks need to rethink how much parking and driveway space they’re having to build.

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Mary. this is your third post on the parking this week. Lay off on the parking issue. It's getting old. While I support public transit initiatives and urban style development choices, I accept the fact that Charlotte, and all other American cities (minus 4 or 5) are car based. Schools, just like thier counterparts such as office parks and shopping malls, should accommodate the desires of their customers. If that means more asphalt, so be it! You, and the three other pointy headed wonks at the architecture conventions, can keep on moaning and groaning that nobody agrees with you. In the meantime, the rest of us will roll down our windows, and get ready for the drive home. On to something else please.

Danimal

Anonymous said...

I agree with Danimal and you posted this twice. Next it will be the problem with driveways and garages.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for the new lease-purchase option to save some construction money.

I am 100%, absolutely, without a doubt positive that any developer worth hiring can build a quality surface lot parking space for less than $4000 when it is developer money on the line rather funds from the bottomless pit of cms and govco.

Anonymous said...

Yawn.

Anonymous said...

Mary,
You are correct, the school officials should re-think their policies regarding school construction and operations. Wouldn't it be within the rights of the community to say no drop offs or student cars are allowed? The community provides buses to transport children and that should be the only means for children to get to school. The traffic, now that school has resumed, is ridiculous. In addition to the cost to construct the lots and drop off turn arounds, there are the environmental impacts of increased runoff from the lots and increased fuel consumption from the cars.

On a separate item, I don't have any regard for bloggers who throw stones at you and sign their notes as anonymous or provide fake names. I would suggest that the blogger editor should delete those notes due to lack of integrity, courage of the authors. I don't see any positive contributions to the debates from those nattering nabobs of negativity (as Spriro Agnew said).

Anonymous said...

We should go back to home schooling for all the kids. That way parents would be responsible for their OWN kids (instead of making ME pay for THEIR kids' schools), there would be no "school traffic" on the roads, plus one parent would stay home to be the teacher, taking them off the road also. What a driving utopia that would be!

Anonymous said...

Mary, interesting stuff. Many of us have raised this and other similar issues for years to deaf ears- including yours- since anyone that tries to point out the nakedness of the school planning and construction emperors are tarred by you and others as some sort of malcontents, racists, or social misfits. So I would encourage you to continue to investigate this and other issues infesting the thinking and attitudes of our school leadership. By the by, your numbers for acreage needed for the various parking customers are low. You should recompute using 300 sq. ft. for each space which includes the drive isles, allowance for larger handicap spaces, etc. ( but not the extra stacking lanes that you mention) that are part of the lot as well. You might also want to check your real estate sources. Even allowing for some variation for location, those land prices look a little low for Mecklenburg County (unless the schools are still buying difficult sites that have enormous site development costs). Oh, and thanks for actually using facts in your blog: such a refreshing change from your normal 'editorial' practice.

Anonymous said...

When I was growing up in St. Paul, MN, the public schools and the Metropolitan Transit Commission (the equivalent of CATS) worked together so that middle and high schools were served by MTC busses. Students were provided with limited-hours bus passes. The yellow school busses were used only for elementary school; it was assumed that the big kids were old enough to take the city bus themselves.

Another thing--CMS forbids students from riding their bicycles to school. Considering the problem of childhood obesity, and what good exercise bicycling is, one would think that installing bike racks at the schools would be a no-brainer. I myself rode my bike from 5th grade on through 12th.

Anonymous said...

"We should go back to home schooling for all the kids. That way parents would be responsible for their OWN kids (instead of making ME pay for THEIR kids' schools), there would be no "school traffic" on the roads, plus one parent would stay home to be the teacher, taking them off the road also. What a driving utopia that would be!"

Which is better for a society--socially, economically, politically, by whatever criterion you choose--an educated populace, or an ignorant one?

Assuredly an educated one.

Accordingly, it is in everyone's interest--even those who have no school-aged children of their own--to have universal schooling.

Anonymous said...

A couple of thoughts:

1. If anyone tells you that $4000 is a reasonable price to pay for preparing and paving a 9' X 18' parking space, you may want to get another bid!

2. Prohibiting kids from driving themselves and parents from driving their children to school may sound like a pretty good idea, but there's no free lunch. All of those kids would then have to be accomodated on buses. That too costs money.

Anonymous said...

I am amazed every morning as I watch the nieghborhood mothers trail behind the bus, with their kid inside the car instead of on the bus. They leave at the same time as the bus, and essentially follow or lead the bus to school, getting there almost at the same time. Tell me that nakes sense. When I asked one of them why they drive their kids when the bus stops right in front of their house they acted like I was the crazy one for "forcing" my children to ride the bus three miles. She said the bus made her child "uncomfortable." I have also seen kids who live a block away being driven as well -- they spend twice as much time in the carpool line than if they had just walked. They should make you apply for a permit to drive your kid to school, and you better have a good reason like the child is wheelchair bound -- not just "uncomfortable." Talk about the inmates are running the asylum...

Anonymous said...

When it come to public transportation the mentality of a large portion of this country is just mind boggling.
I sincerely hope that once light rail is open that these Ballantyne / Pineville commuters will start riding just like other "world class cities".
What a joke. Charlotte's got the future makings for it if they could just get rid of 80 percent of the residents with this old mindset.

Anonymous said...

Mary,

Loved your column this weekend, the one about the fond memories of your daughter heading to school in the car.

Cato said...

"I sincerely hope that once light rail is open that these Ballantyne / Pineville commuters will start riding just like other 'world class cities.'
What a joke. Charlotte's got the future makings for it if they could just get rid of 80 percent of the residents with this old mindset."

Pol Pot would be proud.

Anonymous said...

Cato:
You are comparing me to a communist ruler because I think we should get on board with the rest of the world as far as public transportation goes ?
Cato doesn't get out of the country much does he ?
More like not out of his state much.
When did Americans become so lazy and spoiled ?
We used to be inovators. Now we just sit on our fat a$$es and watch the rest of the world suck our jobs away.
I forgot, we are really good at complaining but not very good if we actually have to "do something" that may inconvenience us.
God forbid if poor Cato is asked to change his little world one iota.
Cry Baby Cato

Anonymous said...

Ironic that you owuld complain that we "used to be inovators" and at the same time complain that we need to conform to the rest of the world.

Anonymous said...

Wondering why we are so lazy is not "complaining".
I do go out of my way to change for the better. It was a bit inconvienient at first (and I mean just a "bit") but is now second nature.
We could learn a lot from the rest of the worlds cities.
Don't be blind. Open your eyes Jackass.

No more time for this post.

Ciao

Anonymous said...

I question if the public school bus is a safe place for kids. CMS doesnt thinks so. That is where the fights, crime and other assults happen. Read Tara S. she talked all about it.

Anonymous said...

Complain, comment: it really doesn't matter. The irony, which judging from your response, has completely escaped you, is the juxtapostion of the call for conformity with the rest of the world and the implication that innovation is to be preferred. One does no inovate by adopting the standards of others.

Anonymous said...

Mary, when you have told us you have given up YOUR car, take only the bus, and move into a 800 sq ft uptown sardine car, er uh, condo, you lack any moral authority at all on this subject.

'Do as I say-not as I do' limousine liberalism.

You drive, you pollute, you are part of the problem.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the kids can all take the $1.5 billion government donation to the local asphalt contractors association called the 'light rail.'

Soon to be referred to as the 'white snail' as in Maryland, where their light rail is also a disaster.

I have a proposal: Every year we can have the 'light rail challenge'. This would be a foot race between a commuter on the white snail and a fast runner in a pair of tennis shoes.

Whoever beats the white snail from Pineville to uptown on foot wins $426 million!

The entrance fee can be $20, and all proceeds can be stuffed under Parks Helms mattress, with the rest of the bribe money he took to help pass this raping of the taxpayers.

LOL




I SLAY ME!!

Anonymous said...

No mention of impervious surfaces causing storm water and therefore poor water quality? Forced busing is needed for clean water. After all who can advocate dirty water?

The quality of the arguement for enforced busing is slipping. And you know we need enforced busing because once on board who cares the destination right? Neighborhood school or across town is all the same.

Anonymous said...

CMS and CATS should work together by giving students discounted passes. My daughter uses CATS when she has to stay late for after school functions and a lot of her friends ride CATS exclusively because the CMS bus arrives at a ridiculous hour.

CMS should partner with CDOT and CATS to make crossing streets safer by installing pedestrian signals, crosswalks and refuge medians around the schools.

If teens want to drive they should pay a hefty fee for a parking sticker every year.

It's common sense, folks.

Anonymous said...

You don't have kids, do you? The bus situation is out of control. A one hour ride to school 3 miles away! I'll drive my children every day - their lives are too prcious to waste on a school bus.

Anonymous said...

'Do as I say-not as I do' limousine liberalism:

I can't speak for Mary but I am a liberal and I DO practice what I preach. I walk to work, live uptown, recycle, use energy efficient bulbs, have all energy star appliances, offset my energy use by buying green energy through Duke Power. Almost all of my needs are met within a 4 mile radius which is walkable or bikeable. Exercise, it's a good thing. If I absolutely have to get in a car, which is rare, I get into my Prius.
So stick that up your lazy, finger pointing republican
a$$.

Anonymous said...

last anon,

You are the rare example of a liberal who may not be a hypocrite.

However, you still seem to have that liberal snobbery that is so effective at convincing others.

Anonymous said...

Wow, where do I begin?

>.I can't speak for Mary but I am a liberal and I DO practice what I preach. I walk to work>

What if you get a different job, are you going to move???

>>live uptown, recycle, use energy efficient bulbs>>
'Energy efficient bulbs'??? Why not candles?? LOL

Have all energy star appliances>> Why have appliances at all? Just wash stuff by hand.

Almost all of my needs are met within a 4 mile radius which is walkable or bikeable.>>

BO-RING. Ever go on vacation? ever go to the mountains? What if your Dr. or dentist moves into another part of the city? Are you going to get a new Dr. rather than drive?

Exercise, it's a good thing. If I absolutely have to get in a car, which is rare, I get into my Prius.>>

All any of this tells me is that you have no kids. Nobody with kids would live in the urban cesspool called CMS, nor drive a Prius.

Not to even start a discussion on the stupidity of hybrid cars, but look up the word 'fungible commodity' the dictionary.

Your hybrid not only has a higher total operating cost, but makes absolutely no difference on total global fuel consumption or pollution. NONE.

It is just a 'feel-good-ism' that Sierra club types can wear like a badge of honor.

Wow, have you drank the punch.

The resentment and class envy in your writing is palpable.

That is the difference. I am fine with your way of life, if that is what you want, but YOU on the other hand, HATE my way of life and want to stop it.

Anonymous said...

Rick,
Perhaps the reason you feel we are snobs is because you imediately label us as such. Trust me "Dude", I am sooooo far from a snob it's not even funny.
I am about as laid back a person as you can get. I just get aggravated when people gang up on Liberals. We are not all the same. Just as all Repulicans are not bible thumpin' wacko's like most think.

Anonymous said...

Wow, where do I begin?:

Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emission Vehicles (AT-PZEVs) This means my car is rated as the least emissions producing car on the planet. I get an average of 56 mpg on trips and 49 around town. Not as good as our fabulous E.P.A. claims but a hell of a lot better than your mini van or SUV.
Do you read up on ANYTHING before you shoot off your backward trap ?

You think I want to change the way you live your life. I could care less. I actually like that you live out in the sticks. It means I don't have to be bothered with your mindless rambles in my neighborhood.

"Why don't I use candles, wash dishes by hand" ?
Is this what you really think of people like me ?
Do you think we are so utterly insane as to do this ?
You are the one living out in the farmland not I.
I would think you would be a more likely candidate to wash your clothes down by the river.

My car has a higher operating cost ???
Okay, so I paid $5k more for it.
So what. I save $1,100 a year on gas. I do oil changes every 6,000 miles because the engine runs half as much as yours and totally shuts off while coasting and at stop lights.
The only scheduled maintenance on the car besides oil and tire rotations is at 110,000 miles and that's just spark plugs.
So in 5 years I 've saved about $6k in gas/maintenace costs over the average vehicle.
There's your offset in the cost.

"All any of this tells me is that you have no kids. Nobody with kids would live in the urban cesspool called CMS, nor drive a Prius."

Wow! If you hate Charlotte so much why are you reading the Observer. Could it be because you are a pathetic loser with nothing else to do but bitch and complain ? I do have a 16 year old child as well as have friends that have children and drive hybrids. Ever hear of the Toyota Highlander SUV hybrid? Not as good m.p.g. as the Prius but much better than a normal SUV and low emmisions.

I know, I know. ""All any of this tells me is that you have no kids." Sorry I want to help just a little in the air quality my kid and YOURS breathe.

"Your hybrid not only has a higher total operating cost, but makes absolutely no difference on total global fuel consumption or pollution. NONE.'

As stated above the Prius produces the least tailpipe admissions and gets about 2.5 times the mileage of "most" cars on the highway.
If you can't do the math and see how that adds up to a HUGE difference on the global fuel consumption and pollution then you may possibly want to venture off the farm now and again. Maybe get some basic mathematics ?
True it's not a huge impact since there are so many huge polluting gas guzzlers on the road. But little by little I am seeing more and more hybrids.
There's a whole bunch of them out there that don't stand out like the Prius so you probably aren't even aware that you are passing one.
Visit the rest of the country. There are a lot more hybrids out there. Tons more than in the Charlotte area.

Last note. Why, if you have children would you EVER be aggravated at someone for trying to do whatever little bit they can to help with the environment ?
Do you not love your children ?
If one day one of them develops lung cancer will you wonder "what if" ?
What if you and others all did just a little to change.

Just a little. If more did it we could make a difference.
Food for thought lady.

Anonymous said...

Hahh ! I just read your comment again.

"The resentment and class envy in your writing is palpable."

Ohhhhhh, you are cracking me up !

Resentment, class envy ?
I've lived in Ballantyne, Southpark and now uptown.

Please.
I have no resentment or class envy toward you.
Just sadness.

Anonymous said...

Enviro Anon,

Definition of snobbery from Wikipedia...

"A snob, guilty of snobbery, is a person that adopts the world-view that other people are inherently inferior for any one of a variety of reasons including supposed intellect, wealth, education, ancestry, etc. A snob imitates the manners, adopts the world-view and affects the lifestyle of a social class of people to which he either belongs or aspires. That "right" is not necessarily a birth-right: a Pseudo-intellectual is a type of snob."

Your writing fits that definition to a tee my friend.

Anonymous said...

Funny thing Rick about me being an Anon, you don't even realize that you and I agree on a lot of topics on these posts. We have conversed back and forth over the months quite a lot and agree on most things.
I guess this one area we don't.
If being just fed up with jackasses makes me a snob then label me as you will.

Anonymous said...

'Do as I say-not as I do' limousine liberalism.
I believe this was the comment that started all of this ?Why don't you Republican wads back off Liberal Anon and take a look at your own stuff.
Yes there is a lot of stuff for you to look at.

Anonymous said...

Re-read what I said...

I complimented enviro anon on not being a hypocrite. At least he (maybe not) puts his money where his mouth is.

My "snobbery" comment goes to the tone of his comments. It basically comes off sounding like this...

"If you can't afford a new car that costs $5K more than a comparable model, and can't afford to live uptown in a very expensive condo, then you are not as good a person as I am."

Call me crazy, but that sounds rather snobbish to me.

Anyway, when an admitted liberal says he agrees with me on many things, I just take that as a compliment to my arguement skills. Maybe they are getting through to change some misinformed minds.

(I also checked at Scott Clark Toyota, a Prius costs about $7K more than a comparably equipped Corolla - not $5K)

Anonymous said...

A Corolla is much smaller with less hatchback space by far.
So it is not comprable at all.
"compliment to my arguement skill"?
"misinformed minds" ?

Now who's the snob ?
See, you can bend any situation to make it fit your agenda.
You sound as snoby as anyone else.

Later. Too nice to spend the day doing this.
Have a nice Labor Day

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that last comment was a bit over the top wasn't it. I really don't take myself quite that seriously. Though I do enjoy checking facts, and I was pretty close about the Corolla Vs Prius. A better comparison may have been the Toyota Matrix which was closer to the $5k you quoted.

Last post for the weekend. Everyone enjoy the holiday.

From the Toyota website:

Prius:
Passenger volume (cu. ft.) 96.2
Luggage capacity (cu. ft.) 14.4

Corolla
Passenger volume (cu. ft.) 90.3
Luggage capacity (cu. ft.) 13.6

Matrix
Passenger volume(cu. ft.) 96.2
Luggage capacity, rear seats up 21.8

Matrix costs $4500 less than a prius, but comes with leather faced seats standard which adds about a $1100. Not really an apples to apples comparison either.

Anonymous said...

WoW ! So much time on your hands. Pathetic. Listen you imbecile, if I want to drive around and produce less emissions and suck less oil out of the ground it's my business. Who's it hurting ? That's right, NO ONE.
On the other hand you spend your weekend trying to defend an argument that totally consumes you.
You car burns more and pollutes more. End of story.
ABSOLUTE end. If you are too cheap to spend $5k or $6k more to do so then so be it.
Don't compare my consciousness to the environment to your cheapness.
That's why tight wads live in the burbs.
I hope you have a "good argument" already thought up for your children if they ever develop lung cancer or another disease caused by pollution.
I know I am right and so do you. So enjoy arguing away with yourself.

Later Loser

Anonymous said...

I agree with the previous poster. Rick, why do you constantly argue with everyone even if what they are doing is a good thing ?
Shame on you. Spend your energy doing something to help not hinder.

Anonymous said...

From the info we are receiving from the Bojangle's post it seems Rick is huge. He is right. He should not buy a hybrid. He should walk.

Anonymous said...

From Edmunds website:

Prius:
Passenger volume (cu. ft.) 96.2
Luggage capacity (cu. ft.) 14.4

Rick:
Stomach volume (cu. ft.) 1,172
Luggage (ass) capacity (cu. ft.) 931

Anonymous said...

Judging from the related posts onthe other thread, I can't help but wonder if the poster actually believes that it is even remotely credible that one so childish as to pursue an argument in that fashion is somehow a financially successful adult. What are the odds. . .

Anonymous said...

Lighten up. It's a joke. Humor, ever hear of it ?
Successful.
Hmmmnnnnnn.
If you consider success as being finance driven only then I guess I am doing okay. I may not be a Trump but I am doing fine for me.
I own my 200 and 2005 cars out right, I am just 17 months away from paying off my mortgage, earn $88,400 per year, have zero on credit cards and have $227,321.04 currently in my IRA.

Not bad for 37 years old.

But I like to measure success on how happy I am in life. I have a wonderful wife and a great child. You on the other hand seem very uptight. That's so sad. I hope you are able to lighten up before you die. Life's to short to live with that enormous stick lodged in your a$$.

Oh, by the way, I did not post all of those humorous threads. But they are funny.

Anonymous said...

Just to be clear, the last anon on this thread wasn't me, though the stats are similar. It may have even been directed at me. I'm not sure, but it appears there's been a lot of that this morning.

Also, judging by the comments here and the deleted comments from the other thread, it appears someone may have been posting false comments about me or posing as me.

Nothing I can do about that except feel sorry for them.

I don't argue with people just to argue. I honestly just want to pose the other side of the issue, point out logical problems in arguements, and pose alternatives.

Sometimes I'm right. Sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes I'm over the top. Sometimes I'm sarcastic.

Obviously that gets under the skin of too many people here.

I'm done. Enjoy your cool aid, and talking into the mirror.

Anonymous said...

Hey Kool-Aid....... Ohhhhh YEeeeAAAAAHhhhhHH !

Anonymous said...

Hey Rick, what stats are similar ?

Stomach volume (cu. ft.) 1,172
Luggage (ass) capacity (cu. ft.) 931

Anonymous said...

Charge high school students $500 per school year for a parking permit. Teachers park free. Issue free passes for CATS buses for students. However, CATS buses really don't go where people need to go. How could a kid in Stonehaven or Lansdowne get to East Meck by public transportation??? They can't.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Anon of the personal financial data, the comment about childish behavior did not emanate from Rick. for that matter, I had not previously commented in this or the other thread at all, precisely because the debate was becoming so childish.

Meanwhile if you percieved the one comment I made and to which you responded as directed at you, I assume you understand that thumping one's chest about personal choices (let alone income)is indeed childish, not to mention boorish in adults.

(And of course no one would think you were trying to pose as "Trump", since those who have and those who accomplish rarely blow their own horns. They don't need to.)

Anonymous said...

The fact is Charlottes Public transportation is a huge failure; No one wants to ride the bus because they dont want raped when they get off the bus at the bus stop. Another problem is gang warfare in this city. People in Charlotte wants you to put on Rosy glasses about their problems that could be solved. The City itself has to few parking garages and the one floor open lots are a joke. What did they think People would walk or ride a horse up to Charlotte; Light rail was a good idea until they found out they couldnt afford it; Its clear they didnt get much input from larger cities; why just look at how many times the light rail crosses intersections. We all know the motorists here drive like a horses ass and block intersections ; This train will get blocked all the way uptown and will eventually cause a huge accident. Washington D.C. is broke from their subway system and they use their system all week long. I look for light rail to be just like the buses empty and the system will fold.

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