tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post4141553972304443287..comments2023-11-05T04:34:10.303-05:00Comments on The Naked City: Confederate memorial: Why 1977?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-19112454328451565342008-08-25T16:40:00.000-04:002008-08-25T16:40:00.000-04:00good grief ... when i lived in Columbia . they mad...good grief ... when i lived in Columbia . they made the State take down the Battle Flag .. i honestly feel like this is a form discimination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-41011188389315091462008-08-19T12:54:00.000-04:002008-08-19T12:54:00.000-04:00I applaud Councilman James Mitchell for his commen...I applaud Councilman James Mitchell for his comment, "you have to respect that people fought for what they thought was right." <BR/><BR/>He is so right. During the Civil War, the people thought they were right, so they fought for that.<BR/><BR/>Thank you sir, for your wisdom. If I were a Charlotte resident, I would be proud to vote for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-66671572095711735822008-08-18T09:28:00.000-04:002008-08-18T09:28:00.000-04:00^ We'll do that right about the same time all the ...^ We'll do that right about the same time all the Revolutionary memorials around Boston are dug up or closed. After all, it happened over 200 years ago and it's time to move on right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-88076463723907849692008-08-17T22:03:00.000-04:002008-08-17T22:03:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-43629109636575946022008-08-17T21:42:00.000-04:002008-08-17T21:42:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-43424174939727961072008-08-16T11:39:00.000-04:002008-08-16T11:39:00.000-04:00I have helped erect three Confederate memorials th...I have helped erect three Confederate memorials this summer. I will assist with another in November. Mary seems to want free speech for herself but wishes to deny it to others. How very unAmerican! How very uninclusive, non-diversive, non-accepting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-83132810211261140182008-08-16T10:32:00.000-04:002008-08-16T10:32:00.000-04:00Hey Jumper, you ever looked into why Lawrence got ...Hey Jumper, you ever looked into why Lawrence got attacked.<BR/><BR/>I won't tell you I'll let you live your local myth.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732335970568529545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-37495451353856658222008-08-16T10:05:00.000-04:002008-08-16T10:05:00.000-04:00The monument is there not because of racist attitu...The monument is there not because of racist attitudes, but because of the oldest and most respectable of Southern traditions...honoring those who came before us. You don't have to like the mission, but you should honor the lives that were lost.<BR/><BR/>Carl R. Chester, SCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-46762782224627358542008-08-14T19:17:00.000-04:002008-08-14T19:17:00.000-04:00I'm all for people having the right to erect monum...I'm all for people having the right to erect monuments to their Civil War dead, regardless of which side is honored, as long as those memorials are not on public, tax-payer owned properties.<BR/><BR/>Move the statues and stones that I've seen in both Southern and Northern states away from the court houses and public squares. Put them in a private cemetery, where they best repose with the dead they honor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-61231788280541945292008-08-14T19:10:00.000-04:002008-08-14T19:10:00.000-04:00I'm able to fathom the backlash. What I can't unde...I'm able to fathom the backlash. What I can't understand is the carrying forward of a grudge for over 100 years, and taking it out on the very people you taught to build and maintain your infrastructure and plantations. What a waste! (Or maybe you or your ancestors thought the slaves were "Northern aggressors".)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-52708644119632215332008-08-14T16:49:00.000-04:002008-08-14T16:49:00.000-04:00Here I am like an idiot, standing here and talking...Here I am like an idiot, standing here and talking to myself.<BR/><BR/>Probably the question is, how much psychic support do we lend to causes that are mostly, or partly, but definitely not entirely, ours? Most Americans nowadays are FOR freedom and AGAINST slavery. So when we encounter a historical episode that scrambled both, no wonder controversy extends to this day.oosdrJumperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794110173836133321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-20609882713271998842008-08-14T14:08:00.000-04:002008-08-14T14:08:00.000-04:00And all this was a reaction to foreign oppresion? ...<B>And all this was a reaction to foreign oppresion? Sorry, but the South was part of the Union when Jim Crow arrived. Does anyone believe the South was an independent nation up until 1964, when the slaves were really freed?</B><BR/><BR/>Whether it makes a happy story or not, the fact of the matter is that 13 Southern states legally voted themselves out of the Union and formed their own country. The Reconstruction period was literally a time of Federal occupation for the South, which led to the hard feelings and violent backlashes that ultimately became Jim Crow government. <BR/><BR/>I am continually astounded at the northerner's inability to understand both sides of the conflict. It is exactly the same attitude that makes Americans so stereotypically insular around the world -- "You'll be invaded and you'll LIKE it, or else!".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-77934809897262810692008-08-14T10:30:00.000-04:002008-08-14T10:30:00.000-04:00You need to respect the men who were stubborn, foo...You need to respect the men who were stubborn, foolish and apparently not the brightest cotton bolls in the field for sticking literally to their guns years after the rest of this nation and most of the civilized world had abandoned that lifestyle.<BR/><BR/>But you also need to honor their progeny, who learned their lesson so well that they continued down a similar destructive path for another century before one Southernor had the sense to say enough is enough.<BR/><BR/>It's sort of a Don Quixote memorial. Old times here are not forgotten, nor do they make much sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-39852539877848444102008-08-14T10:08:00.000-04:002008-08-14T10:08:00.000-04:00"...and the Southern Democrats filibustered to try..."...and the Southern Democrats filibustered to try to stop the 1964 Civil Rights Act...were they trying to "recapture" their plantations?"<BR/><BR/>When one race purposely enacts laws, edicts and economic sanctions to limit the right of another race to life, liberty, justice and achievement of educational and econmic equality, then the aim and result is still slavery. <BR/><BR/>Why recapture the plantations when you've basically recaptured your slaves? Or did their former owners willingly allow them free market competition and fair wages for services? I think not.<BR/><BR/>And all this was a reaction to foreign oppresion? Sorry, but the South was part of the Union when Jim Crow arrived. Does anyone believe the South was an independent nation up until 1964, when the slaves were really freed?If it still thought itself an independent nation, then the North made a big mistake by not continuing to maintaining troops and ensuring public safety long after Reconstruction. <BR/><BR/>In any case, tell me again why I am supposed to respect the men who continued to retard the growth of this region for 100 years past the end of the Civil War.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-86995543095506180952008-08-14T09:19:00.000-04:002008-08-14T09:19:00.000-04:00The Jim Crow era in the South was comparable to th...The Jim Crow era in the South was comparable to the modern Islamist movement in the Middle East. It had more to do with resentment against foreign oppression than with any actual principles. And because the Union politicians had hidden behind the security blanket of "freeing the slaves", southern blacks took the brunt of neo-Confederate anger.<BR/><BR/>Prior to the Civil War, the concept of "segregation" was meaningless. Whites and blacks, while legally unequal, shared every part of their lives without widespread strife -- from riding public transit together to shopping at the same stores. It was only after the politically-motivated shaming of the South (evidently still continuing today, to judge by the comments above) that Jim Crow reared its ugly head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-6352879734126440982008-08-14T09:10:00.000-04:002008-08-14T09:10:00.000-04:00...and the Southern Democrats filibustered to try ......and the Southern Democrats filibustered to try to stop the 1964 Civil Rights Act...were they trying to "recapture" their plantations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-6307722971590354262008-08-14T09:02:00.000-04:002008-08-14T09:02:00.000-04:00The reason Jefferson Davis, his cabinet members, o...The reason Jefferson Davis, his cabinet members, other Confederate officials and Confederate Army and Navy officers weren't charged with war crimes was because Lincoln wanted to heal the country. <BR/><BR/>A lot of good that did. When Northern politicians decided to turn a blind eye toward Klan terrorism as Reconstruction ended,the South quickly showed that slavery had been the real issue all along, because former slaves were virtually enslaved once again under Jim Crow. <BR/><BR/>Oh, someone will write back and claim that the South during that period was only exercising States Rights Doctrine in denying African-Americans the right to vote, hold political office, live in segregated poverty, etc., etc. <BR/><BR/>Strange that States Rights would just happen to achieve the same result that slavery had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-59969912685539060902008-08-14T07:20:00.000-04:002008-08-14T07:20:00.000-04:00The truth is out. It is Vampires in the south. Slo...The truth is out. It is Vampires in the south. Slowly quietly and certainly we lure unsuspecting Yankees down here with low tax rates, pleasant winters, good manners, and a laid back attitude. Then, once they're here, we begin to raise their taxes, slowly, hardly noticeably, until, one day, they find their tax rate is higher than it was 'back home'. But it is too late. They are now old and unable to return to that god-foresaken place, and must pay and pay and pay. All just to see the people they fought so long ago to free, (just ask any of them, the war was to free an oppressed people) lie around on their porches and watch TV, drinking cold drinks from the frigadare, having pizza delivered.<BR/><BR/>Ah yes, the Yankees freed them, now they pay for them. Such is fate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-23361743927573918482008-08-14T05:38:00.000-04:002008-08-14T05:38:00.000-04:00Actually, they are the "undead." Vampires. And yes...Actually, they are the "undead." Vampires. And yes, they WERE around in those days. And their hunger is never truly satisfied. Fear them. FEAR THEM!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-85908068009220771542008-08-13T21:37:00.000-04:002008-08-13T21:37:00.000-04:00OK. What do you people not understand about this? ...OK. What do you people not understand about this? None of us living today have nothing to do with the Civil War. We didn't fight in it, we didn't make the decisions, so stop acting like this is 1865! I can't take this Civil War crap anymore because it doesn't matter anymore! Everyone living today had nothing to do with it and I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. How can you hold a grudge against the people of today? None of us can control what happened in the past because we weren't even ALIVE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-55596454373020018282008-08-13T21:07:00.000-04:002008-08-13T21:07:00.000-04:00WRC says it very well.No comment from supporters o...WRC says it very well.<BR/><BR/>No comment from supporters of the oppressors comes close.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-69667603898084008862008-08-13T20:52:00.000-04:002008-08-13T20:52:00.000-04:00First of all, I'm proud that I have left the obvio...First of all, I'm proud that I have left the obviously conceited state to the north for the one in which I now reside. If one were to read the Consitution, and study the reasons for secession, it should be obvious that the South had good reason to secede. Slavery was just one of the many factors that led the Southern States to this drastic move. Did you ever stop to wonder why Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason after he was captured? Have you ever heard the following quote: "Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can may revolutionize and make their own of so many of the territory as they inhabit." These are words Abraham Lincoln delived as a Congressman on January 12, 1848. How ironic would it have been if Jefferson Davis could have used Old Abe's own words in his defense. In the end, the Federal Govt. couldn't build a case against J. Davis and were afraid to put him on trial. Folks say secession was illegal; but it was done legally by the state's legislatures. Also, you will note that each state's legislatures had to vote (under force) to re-enter the Union after the war.<BR/><BR/>I apologize for nothing. I feel no remorse. Slavery would have ended peacefully the way it did everywhere else in the world, and maybe there wouldn't be the residual hostilities that exist today.<BR/><BR/>WRCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-18414005011561464232008-08-13T18:21:00.000-04:002008-08-13T18:21:00.000-04:00"Hostilities began on April 12, 1861, when Confede..."Hostilities began on April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces attacked a U.S. military installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina. Lincoln responded by calling for a volunteer army from each state, leading to declarations of secession by four more Southern slave states."<BR/><BR/>You started it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-33316485038771880092008-08-13T16:11:00.000-04:002008-08-13T16:11:00.000-04:00Apologize for WHAT? Name it. Troll-baiting, maybe....Apologize for WHAT? Name it. Troll-baiting, maybe. Impugning the reputation of Southerners? That was the other trolls, not her.Jumperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11794110173836133321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19601020.post-74159653162269736422008-08-13T15:18:00.000-04:002008-08-13T15:18:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com