Thursday, November 02, 2006

A mediocre-class city?

In a city with high aspirations, Charlotte’s architecture by and large hasn’t risen to meet those aspirations. Why not?

Why, for instance, isn’t the collection of facilities soon to be built uptown – the new Mint Museum of Art, the new Bechtler Museum, the new Afro-American Cultural Center and the new performing arts theater and the NASCAR Hall of Fame – being treated as the opportunity of the century? After all, they have the potential to mark a huge section of uptown, and to shape its design, activities and architecture for decades.

But do you even know what those buildings will look like beyond some rudimentary drawings that have been published in the newspaper? And did you like what you saw? The Hall of Fame sketch I saw looked like a bad parody of a 1950s Jetsons’ city. All it needs are jet-cars in the sky, women in tennis skirts and guys in unitards.

A group of architects, artists, designers and interested others have been meeting monthly to talk through the state of design and art in Charlotte. Their next meeting, Monday, Nov. 6, at the Mint Museum of Art on Randolph Road, will tackle “What’s Ailing Architecture?”

Panelists will be three architects: Rebecca Fant, current president of the local chapter of the American Institute of Architects; Peter Wong of UNC Charlotte's College of Architecture, and Murray Whisnant. Moderator will be Manoj P. Kesavan of Adams Group Architects, a founder of the Point 8 Forum.

Here’s Manoj’s outline for the panel’s discussion:

Architecture is quite high-profile these days. There is a never-before media attention, creating a roster of celeb architects (or “starchitects”), whose names alone are enough to sell out the commercial developments that they design. Also perhaps there has never been a time in history with so many professional architects designing so many buildings.

Yet most of what we see around is “junk architecture” – buildings of hollow elegance that are created for instant consumption, and are of no lasting value. Why is the higher number of professionals and the increased attention not leading to a increased level of public awareness and higher quality of built environment? Why are most affluent American cities like ours so impoverished when it comes to having structures that are capable of inspiring/touching deeply those who enter it or inhabit it?

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's an age old problem. Pick two of three:
- Good
- Fast
- Cheap

We in Charlotte always pick fast and cheap.

Anonymous said...

I like the Jetsons-type design of the NASCAR Hall of Fame Mary. It's different, abstract, and looks like a future ractrack. That sure beats the fake colonial/textile mill look that seems to permiate everything else in this area. I can only hope that the new Mint and Bechtler museums look just as daring and cutting edge too. It's long overdue that this city gets some eye-candy around here.

Danimal

Anonymous said...

"We in Charlotte always pick fast and cheap."

BWAA HAA HAA!!! That's the funniest thing I've heard all day!!!

Crap, slow, and expensive is more like it!

Anonymous said...

I agree with the second poster, the fake mill look is tired. It's time for the quality and unique.
The last thing so called sky line needs is another beige and mauve stone building.

Anonymous said...

I just want to know why we need to build a light rail system if we will have space taxis flying around the city in 2026.

Anonymous said...

Get William Sofield and David Helpern ( Helpern Architects )
who designed the Soho Grand Hotel.

Anonymous said...

Get somebody....because the city needs attractive structures. The city's skyline looks awkward with the few buildings bunched together. Downtown needs unique architectures that are spread out more to fill in the gaps.

Unknown said...

Mary,
That was really funny, the Hall of Fame looking like the Jetson's City. I bet it's being designed by the same designer who designed Concord Mills Mall. It also reminds me of the Jetson's City.

Being an engineer, I loved the terms "junk architecture". Fast and cheap is the primary driver but the underlying problem is the mistake of placing form over function. The building needs to be functional and work with long term maintenance receiving the highest consideration. If the building is well designed to minimize it's life cycle cost, not just first cost, it will be an inspiration.

Anonymous said...

The pretentiousness/ignorance of Charlotteans rears its ugly head yet again.

"The last thing so called sky line needs..."

"The city's skyline looks awkward with the few buildings bunched together..."

I am always amazed by the type of thinking embodied in both this post and these type of comments. Have you people ever been ANYWHERE?

Charlotte's downtown, from an aesthetic viewpoint, is neither especially better nor especially worse than any other comparably sized city outside of the rust belt (in which case Charlotte is demonstrably better). In fact, there are very few cities in North America of architectural note.

And, in terms of size, Charlotte's downtown is ginormous for a city of 1.5 million people; Seattle is the only other city in the ballpark in terms of downtown size compared to population size, at least on the upside. On the flip, Charlotte could be St. Louis, KC, Phoenix, San Diego or Cincy - huge cities with rinky dink, sometimes craphole, downtowns.

When the current construction boom is finished, Charlotte's downtown, at least in terms of skyscrapers, will be right at the edge of the ten largest downtowns in the United States - no small feat for a city who's metro area isn't even in the top 35.

To suggest that Charlotte has a "so called skyline" or "few buildings" is proof-positive of the authors' hermitry. And to suggest that Charlotte's skyline be more than it already is, despite it's unprecedented overachievement already, exhibits both ignorance and pretense.

Anonymous said...

Please...the city's skyline is mediocre now and to defend it only exposes your hick town mentality. Charlotte has potential to be in the top ten years from now, but it will never compete as long as textile mill visionaries are making decisions.

Anonymous said...

Frank, point well taken and I agree that some who desire "cool" buildings might overlook functional needs.
That said, I think if you look at the Guggenheim in New York, you have a building that is certainly unique while also meeting the functional needs of its purpose.
We don't have to have another Guggenheim...but some different design input would be great.
The sketches I've seen of the transit centers and stations might as well be another Harris Teeter.

Anonymous said...

I would enjoy something very interesting that helps define the city. Whether that's a hall of fame or, in particular, a cool new museum. It helps build identity for the city.

A brick and mortar architecture in the suburbs is fine. In fact, I like the uniformity and the clean style. Something uptown should stand out to help define the area.

Anonymous said...

Charlotte would fall over in a faint if any modern architecture (such as in Denver) were chosen for the new museums on the Wachovia campus on South Tryon.

Charlotteans still want everything to look like a center-hall colonial or a WASP-y colonial church.

Thank goodness Cesar Pelli's firm designed the Bank of America Corporate Center (thanks, Hugh!) Otherwise, there'd be nothing at all memorable on Charlotte's skyline. (And even that is best described as neo-classic, not modern.)

Anonymous said...

"Please...the city's skyline is mediocre now and to defend it only exposes your hick town mentality."

Again, where have you been? Having actually travelled all over the country for both work and pleasure, and having seen the downtown of every major city in this country, Charlotte 2010 will definitely be lurking around the top 10 in terms of number of skyscrapers and skyscraper size. I'm not sure it means anything how tall your buildings are without ambiance, but I digress.

And since I'm not from 'round here, your comment about my "hickishness" is a nice bit of trolling. Charlotte's skyline isn't terribly exciting, but compared to lots of other cities, it's nothing to be ashamed of either; it's a hell of a lot better than Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, KC, The Lou, Phoenix, San Diego, Cincy, Portland, San Jose, Tampa, Orlando, New Orleans, Sacto, NoVA or Pittsburgh.

The lunacy is in thinking that there should be more "there" there, as Charlotteans are under the dubious impression that they live in Atlanta North when in reality Charlotte is still a cow town with an oversized down, er, Uptown.

Cato said...

Regarding the NASCAR HoF, I'm not sure why anyone expected the France family to have much taste in architecture.

As for Mr. Manoj's comments, by "instant consumption" I'm not sure if he's saying that the new architecture is bad or just bland. If it's bland, then it probably is related to expenses.

But for bad architecture, to some extent, it's related to bad taste on the part of the people approving the projects. Check out James Kunstler's "Eyesore of the Month" to the right of Mary's post (BTW, Kunstler had an interesting, if surprisingly placed, piece in "The American Conservative" a few weeks back). This month's eyesore is an art museum in Colorado. If such a thing were proposed to our city council, is it difficult to imagine Susan Burgess falling all over herself to fund it? Up and coming cities too often act like they have too much to prove.

Anonymous said...

This city designs too much by committee. To achieve great architecture, you need one individual with a singular vision. Money helps, too.

Anonymous said...

Gee whiz, it sure is FUN to dream big at someone else's expense.

Hey, Mary. Why don't you and the three other people who care about 'revitalizing' uptown get out YOUR checkbooks and YOU build the buildings however you like.

If it is taxpayer money building these atrocities, then I hope they all look like concrete shoe-box.

LOL

Anonymous said...

Hey Cato,

Yeah, I've seen the Kunstler website before. That guy hate every building I love. I've been to Harvard, MIT, Toronto, and seen all those buildings first hand. I was facinated with the engineering it took to make those buildings a reality.

It seems Kunstler and Mary would assume everything look like old European architecture, architecture that not Europeans are building these days. Have you seen some of the new buildings in London lately?

Please Charlotte, build us something innovative in this town, that doesn't look like a sorority McMansion.

Danimal

Anonymous said...

Oh, and while we're talking about Kunstler, click on the link below to see how booish and condescending this dingbat is.

http://kunstler.com/mags_diary19.html

Hey, I lived in the Northeast and appreciated many of the rustic, eclectic things they had, but I also appreciate that we do things differently down here too. There are many things both parts of the country could borrow from one another, but Kunstler's arrogance is over the top. He can stay up in New York and whine about every piece of architecture that doesn't conform to his narrow view of the world. While he's at it, he can invite Mary to move up there with him so they can whine together.

Danimal

Anonymous said...

The problem is government. The buildings Mary is concerned with are paid for by taxpayers with government employees dictating design. Beyond that, the Charlotte skyline looks like every other city. Some tall buildings in the middle, getting shorter farther out.

But if we must spend taxpayer's money on buildings, as Frank said,form should follow function. The buildings should be designed for ease of use and maintenance.

Anonymous said...

Charlotte needs inconography. What do we have now? I don't think the BOA buildings qualify. Charleston has the new Cooper River Bridge. Denver has a great looking new cutting edge museum. I have seen renderings of the S.Tryon Museums on Urbanplanet and they are attractive but not eye catching. Since Charlotte is determined to destroy anything with history or charm they need to redouble efforts to build striking and modern structures

Anonymous said...

Dream big: Santiago Calatrava, Norman Foster, or Remi Koolhaas. Why not?

Anonymous said...

I find the view driving into town from Gaston County on Wilkinson/West Morehead to be a really gorgeous skyline. Our uptown/downtown really is pretty nice looking with its trees and planters and wide sidewalks.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone here actually seen any of the design work that is going on with the Wachovia project? I personally find the design for the Bechtler wonderful and sited just right across the street from The Green. The design for the new African American Cultural Center is also very striking with its "jacob's ladder" facade. The designs I've seen for the Mint were still at an early stage but I'm confident that Machado & Silvetti will turn out an impressive building.
Instead of skyline issues I am much more concerned about Charlotte's lack of a truly impressive widely used downtown park in which the whole city could connect with and was large enough to hold major events.

Anonymous said...

Hey zkane,

I've seen a couple pictures, but they don't sound like what you described. Do you have a link?

Anonymous said...

In reference to your campaign add in today’s Observer for Parks Helms. According to the campaign finance laws you need to submit a recite to him, so he knows what the value amount is for your contribution in-kind.

I not a fan of the Republican slate or the Democrat slate, but I think it is unethical for the Newspaper to blatantly campaign for and against local candidates.

Steve H.

Cato said...

Danimal,

I agree that Kunstler's snobbery as well as his coercive fetishes can be hard to take (along with his apparent glee over rising energy prices), but the art museum he picked for this month's eyesore is pretty awful.

I'm all for distinctive architecture, but a building that could pass for a wrecked stealth bomber is a bit much.

Anonymous said...

Steve, Mary is not a reporter with The Observer. As a columnist she can write whatever she wants. I agree with her column today and am sick of my personal life being used as a Republican punching bag every election cyle. It will be very sad if we have bigots back in control of the MCC. And progressive ideas for urban development and the arts will suffer along with Charlotte's gay community.

Anonymous said...

Yeah Cato, I agree, the Denver museum is over the top, but some of those other buildings he knocks is just plain whininess. I like the Seattle Library, the MIT dorms, and Louisville's proposed new tower, all of whick Kunstler hates period. I'm not asking for a rocket ship per se, just something different than the norm around here.

Danimal

Anonymous said...

We'll soon have a $43,000,000 ballroom, that sure better be an architectural masterpiece! I can't even imagine what a ballroom at that cost would look like. Or why we would need it in Charlotte.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand some of the complaints about architecture. BOA Corporate and Hearst Tower are two of the most distinctive, and in my opinion, attractive, towers in the country, if not the world. The new Wachovia tower will be quite a change from the norm, and will look like something out of Hong Kong.

That Denver art museum looks like garbage.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand some of the complaints about architecture. BOA Corporate and Hearst Tower are two of the most distinctive, and in my opinion, attractive, towers in the country, if not the world. The new Wachovia tower will be quite a change from the norm, and will look like something out of Hong Kong.

That Denver art museum looks like garbage.

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Anonymous said...

First of all, Mary, thank you for the post and the intro to point8. Your commitment to the cause of urbanism and the quality of the built environment in our city is very commendable. So it is really good to see you taking up the cause of architecture.

And thanks to all the comments – I am sure some of them will be discussed at tomorrow’s meeting! Let me clarify something about my intro to the point8 session: what I was talking about was the general condition of architecture, not specifically about Charlotte. I think the mediocrity we see around here is pretty representative of most other cities in the country of comparable size. When it comes to architecture, our city is not particularly pretty, or ugly!

Cato, I think blandness – not “bad-ness” or ugliness – is the issue here. (Please see a small article that I had written a few months ago for a local magazine: http://www.charlotteviewpoint.org/pdf/archives/CVP4-06.pdf ) But then I guess its true not just for individual buildings – in the case of most of the often-derided “suburbia” too, it is not its ugliness that makes it mind-numbing, it is more because it is all so bland, characterless and lifeless.

I totally agree with Danimal about Kunstler’s stance on architecture. Mr. K appears to be incapable (unwilling?) to appreciate anything modern/innovative/experimental. Of course on the other side there are many “modernists” who appear to be blind to the virtues of any building that is traditional. The “modern vs. traditional” is a tiring and never-ending debate in architecture, which I don’t want to get into right now. However I feel that this kind of a radical stance is one of the things that is hurting architecture. Both the schools (with their thousands of variations) have a lot of merits, and are very meaningful and relevant to those who practice them and can appreciate them. Denying/opposing one of them is forcing oneself to be blind about a whole another side of architecture. In fact dismissing/deriding a building just based on its style is as senseless as judging somebody solely based on the clothes they are wearing. But unfortunately, ignorance and intolerance is often a very effective rallying cry.

Btw I too am not a big fan of Daniel Libeskind, the architect of the Denver museum. He has been doing equally scary and eerily similar looking buildings all over the world. However when Kunstler compares him – whose defining work was the Jewish Museum in Berlin – with a terrible Nazi doctor, my sympathies definitely shift to Libeskind! (the museum: http://www.juedisches-museum-berlin.de/site/EN/04-Architecture/architecture.php )

Now I don’t want to get into the whole public/private money or expensive/cheap building argument. Most of the “junkitecture” you see around aren’t actually cheap. More money doesn’t necessarily lead to better architecture. Also mediocrity is an affliction common to both public and private projects. We will need to go beyond those easy explanations to try find and address the real causes for the problem.

I don’t think I will be able to post much more on this site. Hope most of you in and around Charlotte can make it to the meeting tomorrow. We will be recording the session and hope to post the podcast on our website (www.point8.org) in the next few days. So in case you cannot make it, do listen to it online and join in the discussion that will be continuing on the website.
Thanks!

Manoj

Anonymous said...

Actually I don't have any links to the Wachovia projects. I saw some renderings of the African American Center's design on the wall walking through Neighboring Concepts and the rest of the designs at a talk put on by the Founders' Circle of the MM+CD. It was great to see a few of Mario Botta's early sketches next to some more finalized renderings. One of the rare cases of a building holding almost completely true to it's original creative spark. The Nikki de saint phalle bird-thing arch sculpture will sit in the plaza in front of the Bechtler. I think that might have to grow on me for a while.
Wachovia is supposed to making an announcement about their portion of the project in December.

As for people looking for "star" architects coming to the area what about William McDonough doing the Stans Museum in York County?
Doesn't get a much better then that!

Cheers.

What is with all the anonymous postings?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Again, where have you been? Having actually travelled all over the country for both work and pleasure, and having seen the downtown of every major city in this country, Charlotte 2010 will definitely be lurking around the top 10 in terms of number of skyscrapers and skyscraper size. I'm not sure it means anything how tall your buildings are without ambiance, but I digress.

LOL! You've really travelled around the country?

Here are the number of skyscrapers (buildings over 15 stories) per major city and how many each city currently has under construction. Keep in mind that some cities have been experiencing the condo craze since the late 90s. Charlotte caught on really late. As you can see Charlotte is nowhere near the top 10 in terms of number of skyscrapers nor is it anywhere close to being in the top ten in terms of office space.

New York City 5,504 / 121
Chicago 1,050 / 48
Los Angeles 468 / 9
San Francisco 398 / 11
Philadelphia 342 / 7
Houston 329 / 11
Washington D.C. 300 / 21
Boston 258 / 11
Dallas 237 / 6
Miami 209 / 62
Atlanta 203/16
Seattle 189 / 14
Minneapolis 184 / 4
Denver 181 / 7
Detroit 176 / 4
Baltimore 157 / 6
Pittsburgh 151 / 1
St. Louis 146 / 3
Cleveland 123 / 1
San Diego 118 / 18
Cincinnati 115 / 3
New Orleans 110
Portland 108 / 13
Milwaukee 105 / 3
Nashville 101 / 6
Kansas City 101 / 5
Las Vegas 99 / 32
Indianapolis 90 / 3
St. Paul 72
San Antonio 71 / 2
Austin 68 / 5
Phoenix 67 / 4
Tampa 57 / 15
Salt Lake City 56
Orlando 54 / 12
Charlotte 53 / 9
Jacksonville 53 / 5
Hartford 51 / 1
Omaha 49 / 1
Oklahoma City 48

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"And, in terms of size, Charlotte's downtown is ginormous for a city of 1.5 million people"

Charlotte has a metropolitan area of about 1.5 million people. The city itself is just over 600,000. There are quite a few smaller cities with much better skylines and architecture than Charlotte.

Get out and explore.

"On the flip, Charlotte could be St. Louis, KC, Phoenix, San Diego or Cincy - huge cities with rinky dink, sometimes craphole, downtowns."

Are you serious? All the cities you listed have bigger and denser skylines than Charlotte and one has one of the most recognizable skylines in the world.

Anonymous said...

Second to last anon.

Please put a link to your source so others can verify its accuracy. I'm not questioning it, so don't get yourself all worked up. I just like to check out the sources.

Thanks
Rick

Anonymous said...

Rick said...

Second to last anon.

Please put a link to your source so others can verify its accuracy. I'm not questioning it, so don't get yourself all worked up. I just like to check out the sources.


No problem. Check out Emporis.com

It may not be the most accurate, but they do a pretty good job. Also, keep in mind that the totals are for the city, not just the downtown area. With that said, Charlotte isn't very impressive at all because the city is over 200 sq. miles.

Anonymous said...

A mediocre-class newspaper for a mediocre-class city?

Mary is nothing but a cheap trick for liberal extremism.

Anonymous said...

As a non-Charlottean (like most of us), I hope we lose the attachment to the mill. There is nothing particularly glorious or inspiring about our textile past. We're a post-industrial city in a former podunk town. Celebrate the present and future with innovative, creative and bold architecture.

Cato said...

I attended the discussion tonight. I'm sure I was easily in the minority in that I don't work in the architectural profession.

I thought one person in the audience (no, not me) made a great point in that the best way for the architectural community to get the discussion going about the state of Charlotte architecture is to name names when something is poorly designed. The panelists (with the arguable exception of Mr. Whisnant) seemed a lot more comfortable pointing out the general state of things than being specific.

One idea that kept recurring was that the acceptance of bad architecture (no one was suggesting that the consuming public had a problem with the state of current building) is a product of poor education in the arts. Couldn't agree more.

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the walmarts buildings is very nice!

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