Tuesday, January 30, 2007

Creative class, raise your hand

Social theorist Richard Florida has both champions and skeptics. Joel Kotkin, for instance, who spoke in Charlotte in October at the Partners for Livable Communities conference, pooh-poohs Florida’s theories.

But one big national foundation is putting money into figuring out how to apply Florida’s theories to Charlotte.We’re one of three cities starting a Knight Creative Communities Initiative. Others are Tallahassee, Fla., and Duluth, Minn.

Florida, in his bestseller, “The Rise of the Creative Class,” uses data to show that cities that prosper (at least in the measures he sets) also happen to be attractive to what he calls the creative class. The creative class are young, well-educated and work in jobs that require creativity. Cities that attract them, Florida says, also exhibit tolerance for immigrants, newcomers, artists and gays.

Note, he doesn’t say the gay people, per se, are the creative class. The point is that the civic soil that promotes tolerance also seems to be a fertile habitat for the creative class – and for economic prosperity. The Creative Communities Initiative is being launched by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, in partnership with seven major Charlotte-area groups as well as Richard Florida. It’s seeking 30 volunteers, “community catalysts.”

Think you’re a creative class community catalyst? To apply, visit UNC Charlotte’s Urban Institute web site.

Other community partners are: the Arts & Science Council, Central Piedmont Community College, the Charlotte Chamber, the Charlotte Regional Partnership, Foundation for the Carolinas and The Lee Institute.

What’s the Knight Foundation and how does it relate to the formerly Knight Ridder-owned Charlotte Observer? The foundation is completely separate from the paper, though its money originally came from the family that founded the “Knight” part of Knight Ridder. Here’s some info: “The John S. and James L. Knight Foundation promotes excellence in journalism worldwide and invests in the vitality of U.S. communities where the Knight brothers owned newspapers (one of which is Charlotte).”

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

I can't wait to see the new clothes Mr. Florida spins for the Emporer.

Anonymous said...

The fact that somebody is actually trying to put money into making something like this happen shows exactly what the problem is. You can't 'buy' culture, it just happens. Charlotte has been a bland, WASPy, muggle town for the 20 years I've been around here. I'm afraid it's going to be that way 20 years from now.

Danimal

mister said...

This is just a facade` to try to attract more liberals and techies from CA to boost our tech appeal, which I'm partly for actually(the tech part). Don't hear many people down here use the term "wasp". You must not be from around here? However, you are correct, and I'm glad. Why would you want immigrants, crime, poverty, unemployment(which all lead to higher taxes) to rise in Charlotte? That's what happens when you try to support the low-class, mostly minority(note, mostly, not all) social-drags.

Anonymous said...

If prosperity is the result of the "creative class" I suppose then that we can assume that banker tellers, truckers, chicken farmers, and gorcery store managers are indeed the creative class. I suspect that far more jobs and economic prosperity in the Charlotte area-a pretty prosperous place- are the result financial services, transportation related firms, poultry processing and grocery operations than most of what Florida probably has in mind as fitting that description. And unless I miss my guess, the people who beuilt those industries started out as workers in very ordinary jobs within the industries themselves.

Propserity arises from productive entrepreneurism.

Lewis Guignard said...

It is always interesting to read the ideas different people have about why prosperity happens. Very simply it is the result of excess production, excess being that above the basic necessities.

How we spend the excess, or more exactly, how the excess is used is the defining part of the economic part of societies. Ancient Egypt, Rome etc used the excess to build monuments to the public leaders. Until recently the excess in the United States was used by capitalists to produce more excess, which, as a by-product, gave us the best living standard the world has ever seen. More recently our public leaders have started taking more and more of the excess to build public monuments, which reduces the amount of capital available for reinvestment and reduces or lowers the standard of living for the general population.

The creative class is not a requirement for good living or growth as pointed out elsewhere. The south in general is growing because of air-conditioners. Charlotte is growing excessively because the bankers and developers have worked hard to cause and maintain growth.

Yes, many of us are muggles, but we enjoy snickering at those who aren't. And it is the muggles who build and leave places like NoDa, which was industrial/residential long before there was a gallery crawl downtowm much less in the North Davidson street area.

It is actually hard to imagine those who aren't muggles doing much of anything which requires real work. Note that many of the movers, shakers and noisemakers of this town regularly seek a cheap subsidized place for them to light.

Anonymous said...

How about some "creative" NYC pizza in uptown ?
I'm still starving.

Anonymous said...

This is very predictable.

The Knight Foundation and other sponsors ensure the outcome of this forum to be more ammo for New Urbanism. If you go to these websites you'll see.

The fact that the Mass Transit funding plan is crumbling necessitates bringing in the hired guns to tell us now that we need more "public monuments", as Lewis so aptly described, and trains to take us there.

Danimal also makes a great point: the fact that someone is being paid to tell us how to make this happen is wacked. When the Knight Foundation gives you $585,000 you pretty much agree with THEIR contentions.

David said...

For better or for worse, I'm betting the truly creative sorts in Charlotte that make this city a richer place wouldn't be caught dead participating in this. You can't manufacture soul in a place where the main arts fund only supports safe and sanctioned art - nothing too cutting edge for us here in white bread Charlotte.

I can't wait to see what sorts of "creative" folks get picked to be involved in this venture. I am betting it will be the usual (type) of suspects who think a w(h)ine and cheese social are the height of creativity. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm still surprised they didn't enlist the works of students in CMS to provide public art for out new rail line and for the homogenous, conformist bus shelters here in Charlotte. Just imagine what a splash of color could do for our bus shelters (http://www.camachoassociates.com/001.htm for examples of some places which get it).

Frank Burns said...

The best that I can tell, from the article is the creative class are engineers, architects and city planners. I'm an engineer but I don't think that I would qualify under this definition as I'm not young but in my 50s.

I can see the benefit of a group of engineers and architects brainstorming on how to make the city a more livable place without the constraints of politics. I would think that the Knight group should assemble a group that are clearly non biased and objective. Anyone who is a member of REBIC and the Uptown Community Partners should be prohibited from participating.

In addition, any city employees and politicians should be prohibited from participating as a "creative class catalyst."

Anonymous said...

I thought somone did a study already that examined Charlotte's ability to attract the "Creative Class" and how to sustain it. I'm all for attracting the Creative Class, but I'm all against they this city keeps "rehashing".

Anonymous said...

What are the chances we can attract these creative types without spending tons of public money?

Anonymous said...

Lewis said:
"And it is the muggles who build and leave places like NoDa, which was industrial/residential long before there was a gallery crawl downtowm much less in the North Davidson street area."


Lewis is right. And it was the movers and shakers who gave it a trendy name and ran out the real creative class to make room for the new fake creative class. Which brings us to this Initiative. Supposedly the new fake creative class is tolerant to immigrants, gays, and artists. These people are generally what makes up the real creative class. And they would never be a part of this initiative. So....it takes how much money to figure this stuff out? Someone write me a check.

Cato said...

When Florida's ideas were first making the rounds, I bought into them pretty much entirely (I once even impressed some local bigwigs on the current project with my facility with his ideas in a job interview - but apparently not enough).

I've since come to regard them with some general skepticism, but particularly as they might apply to Charlotte. Charlotte is, if nothing else, an institutional town where any serious decisions are all made by formal and informal groups of the "right people." (For Pete's sake, we even had a committee license street musicians a few years ago).

Florida's ideas, however, are thoroughly individualist. His thesis isn't just a paean to artistic types, but like others said before, for architects, engineers, software designers and others whose creativity can be used for highly commercial purposes. Charlotte just doesn't have that kind of business environment. Our principal employers are mature, highly-regulated, publicly-traded companies that grow more through acquisition than innovation. It's just not an economy that places a high premium on creativity. And its remarkable growth over the last 15 years while remaining more bland than a lot of folks care for seems to say that such a premium isn't always necessary.

The current project will likely, like that "Hot Jobs, Cool Communities" thing before it, yield a study full of narcissistic pap in which some of the self-identified young & hip tell us how we can better cater to and subsidize their tastes. But nothing more.

Anonymous said...

Well said, Cato.

When we first moved here, there was a burned-out church on North Tryon. Hugh McColl immediately branded it an "artist's enclave".

Getting a banker's endorsement is the worst thing to draw the "creative class".

The possibility seems centuries away in Charlotte.

Lewis Guignard said...

Anon 1/31 5:56
speaks of the fake creative class.

There is actually a great deal of truth to this statement.

There is a group of artists, although one detests using the word artist to describe them, who have learned how to be part of the in crowd. What they produce is not art in a real sense, but it is in demand by the "in" crowd. As they are in the business of collecting fees for what is not art, they and their supporters work diligently to convince the monied interests to spend their and, more importantly, our (the taxpayers) money on their productions.

A large part of the problem is the amount of government money dedicated to their subsidy. In Mecklenburg and Charlotte it has been 1% of the cost of any capital construction project. Thus the new courthouse would require $1.5million be spent on "art". The cost rising to the amount to be spent.

These then are the new creative class.

No different than the developers, NBA, CMS, transit buffs and others, they have learned to take from the taxpayers while only pretending to provide that for which they are paid.

Anonymous said...

I can agree with Guinard's points on taxes and practicality and how absurd some of this city's priorities are. But I will make a different point that while 'muggles' built the residential and industrial aspect to today's NoDa, they abandoned it in droves during the 70's & 80's, only to let the immigrats and starving artists bring it back to life and pave the way for a new set of 'muggles' to drive the housing prices up to $300k for a bungalow. I don't necessarily like all aspects of that, but it is American capitalism at its best, something I have no problem with at all.

The real problem with Charlotte and the 'creative class' is that when a small grass roots movement of perceived 'hipness' tries to grow and develop in this town, it get snuffed out quickly by the so called banker/redneck mainstream. Anything out of the ordinary is too threatening to the staid palates around here. If the business community, the government, and a good dose of the citizenry would simply 'live and let live', a lot of the funkiness we are suddenly wanting would thrive.

I'll take my cut from the Knight Foundation grant now.

Danimal

Anonymous said...

Hey Hey HEY now,
The McColl Center (burnt out church) is a very nice place for artists to work. The artists come from around the world and get to stay for a period of time across the street at one of the many condo units The McColl Center owns at 715 N. Church.
They live at 715 and are "creative" at the McColl Center.
How on Earth is that a "bad" thing ?

BRAVO Hugh !! BRAVO !!

Charlotte needs an art scene desperately. If it means we can only entice it through "planning it out" then so be it.

Uncle Dennis said...

Ditto on the beauty of the McColl Center. This was a fine examnple of someone saying "somebody should do something about....." and then actually doing it.

Have the doubters here ever been to the center and seen the artists at work, or understand the principle around their tenure?

I believe the Creative Class is anyone who looks at life and says "I can do that better, or different, or instead of something else I will follow this path." This Group grows as the general economic health of the area grows.

Youngstown, or Detroit, or Gary Indiana are probably not hotbeds of Creative Class options. Name any other city that has entered its decline stage. The Creative Class only exists if it has an audience to be creative for.

I have applied to be part of Florida's group. I am not particularly creative, and many would think that I have little class, but I applied anyhow.

In life, there are spectators, and participants.

UD

Anonymous said...

I am gay and live in one of the few old apts in Dilworth that has not been condoed. I make my living through web design and dogwalking. Does this make me a member of the Creative Class? I don't know but I applied to be a part of this study. After two years I believe that Charlotte does have the potential to be more culturallly diverse and "funky". This turnaround is only going to happen through collaboration among those interested. We don't have Asheville's scenic beauty or The Triangle's elite universities to spawn the environment for us.Some would say without those ingredients it will never happen here. I would agree that Charlotte will never have the same vibe as Asheville or parts of The Triangle but we CAN succeed in developing our own style if enough of us truly want to make it happen.

George said...

Danimal wrote: "The real problem with Charlotte and the 'creative class' is that when a small grass roots movement of perceived 'hipness' tries to grow and develop in this town, it get snuffed out quickly by the so called banker/redneck mainstream. Anything out of the ordinary is too threatening to the staid palates around here. If the business community, the government, and a good dose of the citizenry would simply 'live and let live', a lot of the funkiness we are suddenly wanting would thrive.

I'll take my cut from the Knight Foundation grant now."

I would vote for half a grant.
You have stated one part of the problem very succintly. What is the answer?


The McColl church deal is a subsidized place for artists, which has some proponents.

Are we then suggesting subsidizing anyone who claims to be an artist in other ways, or will there be some hurdle designed by the banker/redneck mainstream which only allows 'artists' who meet certain acceptable criteria to get subsidies.

The problem remains.
Who chooses?

I have a friend who paints. She subsidized her own work with a real estate license. She showed her work in various restaurants etc, but never sought a government subsidy.

She has joined with her husband in an art venture and they are making money, but only because it is commercially viable. Should they get a subsidy?

Finally.
Why does Charlotte need to be more funky - whatever that means?

I remember the days of the annual Tacky Party and many such.
I remember the smell of marijuana on the Plaza drifting out from front porches as I rode my bicycle down the road.
I remember the Cellar and many such.
The people of NorthDavidson didn't suddenly appear here, and they don't go away as gentrification occurs. They move, just like the rest of us.

Is the point to dictate where they move to? What type of art they produce?
Truly funky people will not apply.

Anonymous said...

It's not about discriminating against who you think is "funky" or not. Anyone interested in making Charlotte more interesting should get involved in this study or just make their voice heard. Disssing these efforts helps nobody.

Anonymous said...

Guys, we're confusing "artists" with the "creative class." As Newsom states in her blog, thre are all sorts of members of the creative class. It's not just funky artists. Speaking of artists, I'd love to hear some specific examples from Guignard regarding the anonymous group of artists he cites that ahve succumbed to the in crowd. As for creative, I would make the argument that our banks are extremely creative. BofA basically created ways to grow and expand that didn't exist before. Today, both big banks are creating all sorts of new ways to make money. It may not by funky street art, but it's very creative in its own medium. And because they're so busy doing that, they're not exactly sitting around discussing ways to "snuff out" creatie uprisings. That's a myth. Banker types might not always support emerging art, but that's different. They've created the wealth that has allowed us to even get to the point of discussing how to move this city forward. Otherwise, we'd be Winston-Salem.

Lewis said...

I cannot give you names but locations. The Tyvola Arena had "art" which was only pruned plants. The art in the jail, and most other local government buildings could be examined as to whether the artists play the commercial game or not. Etc.

This is not to say they are not artists, but that there is a commercial side to their work which is different than that of those artists usually found in NODA areas.

To suggest the banks create wealth is a stretch. They may very well be creative in the way they take deposits and make loans, but it is those to whom the loans are made who create wealth.

But I, as was pointed out, have confused artists with creative people. Locally, the major banks, Nucor and many other businesses have been and are very creative.


Charlotte has been growing at an outstanding pace for decades because of these type people. Why would we need to do anything in addition to what we are already doing?

Are we missing something? If so what?

Anonymous said...

The only thing this city lacks is some serious uptown blues and music venues. Double Door is a total smoke filled dive. A few restaurants offer music. Blue has a great band on Friday nights.
The House of Jazz can be very fun at times.
But that is no way near enough. We need a serious upscale club in the city for people who want to relax, listen to some music and chill without having to be crowded in with a bunch of twenty somethings yelling obsenities.
Enough with the uptown young club scene. We need a place for the 40 and over crowd.

Cato said...

For a pretty thorough but level-headed critique of Florida's ideas, copy and paste this (sorry, the link breaks if I use HTML):

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004573

The basic question is what would we hope to accomplish through a creative class strategy? If it's that we want the things the CC's want (bike paths, greenways, and apparently lots and lots of art), and having more of them will give us the political advantage to get them, that's one thing. But if it's to drive economic growth and, particularly, create jobs, the story linked above makes it pretty clear that Florida's just flat wrong on this point.

Lewis said...

From the article CATO cites:

It is exactly because Mr. Florida is an exponent of this kind of aggressive, government-directed economic development (albeit with a New Age spin) that liberal policy makers and politicians have latched on to his theories so enthusiastically. To them, an expanding government is always more interesting than an expanding economy--especially if economic growth depends on something so very uninteresting as low taxes and small government. But it is just as likely that the Floridized brand of aggressive governing will get things as wrong as the builders of sports stadiums and convention centers did."


Excellent.
Go read.

fed up said...

I agree with these posts.
You have to let cultural and creative areas develop on their own. They can't be bought or processed and installed like a pre-fabricated SoHo.

Does the "creative class" also include creative ways for local government to hoodwink us?

Uncle Dennis said...

There you go again, Mr. Malanga, throwing facts and statistics against a socialist ideal!

And George, I have had that conversation with several people regarding who says which artists should be subsidized and which not, and what if the person left out was Dali, or Piccaso, would they return to McDonalds because they couldn't get subsidized?

Malangas op-ed piece really supports more of what I said earlier, that rapid and sustained economic growth develops a creative class, not the other way around.

I believe infrastructure amenities such as bike paths potentially appeal to all, not just creative classers, and is a net positive for any city. I believe reusing old, underutilized buildings in creative ways is cool, but it is the building owners place to say who he wants to rent his space, and he is entitled to profit from his asset just like any of us would be. Anyone read Atlas Shrugged?

The creative class in my mind is more like the owner of the now defunct Queens Beans down on Camden in the South End. I cannot remember her name, but do remember that she quit the business. The spot was quickly re-filled.

George is right, who should decide on the selection of those supported? Malanga is right that creativity follows economic growth.

UD

Frank Burns said...

Lewis is correct, establishing a percentage of a publicly funded project for art is a waste of money. The poster child for this wastefulness is the pruned shrub art that was placed at Charlotte Coliseum #2 at Tyvola.

Back to the topic, and here I disagree with Lewis, government needs to intervene to make our community a better place. We cannot rely on businesses to do this as their motives are short term profit and only look at the general public as customers and are not concerned with their general well being. We have become too disconnected with each other and need something to link us back together and to enrich our lives.

If this group of "catalysts" can develop a creative way to make Charlotte a better, healthier place to live, then maybe the local officials will listen and implement the plan. The plan does not necessarily mean spending a lot of public funds. Maybe some good ideas from other communities can work here too. In my vision, I see open plazas made from space from unused big boxes surrounded by small retail and cafes. The series of plazas would all be interconnected with safe bicycle lanes and would be located throughout the town. These plazas could be places that street musicians could perform, artist could display their art and families could gather. Anyone who has traveled in Europe has seen these work.

Cato said...

Gentlemen:

Again, the issue with respect to Florida's ideas ("Floridian" ideas?) isn't whether "creative-class"-type amenities are good or bad things. In many cases they're probably fine things to have that make life more pleasant for those using them. Rather, it's whether expenditures on such things is a catalyst for economic growth. There's substantial evidence that they're not. I think the man simply got the chain of causation backwards.

The harm in it comes when public outlays for such things comes at the expense of more traditional municipal functions.

And regarding public funding of the arts: the NEA has been providing grants to artists since the LBJ administration. Further, there are scores of colleges and universities with well-appointed art departments where someone with talent can develop it. Does anyone seriously think that these things have improved the quality of the arts in the U.S. in the past 40 years? If so, what works do you believe that people will still care about 100 years from now?

Lewis Guignard said...

AAhhhh, Friday nite at the blog.

There is always something which someone wants which will make things appear better, if only government, meaning someone else, would pay for it.

Mr. Florida is only one example of such a mindset. There are many in Mecklenburg.

Economic prosperity has occured in many societies and in each there has probably been a group of people which could be defined as a creative class. As pointed out previously, creative does not mean artistic, so I may consider myself creative to some extent.

As Charlotte/Mecklenburg has grown very well, too well in my opinion, why then do we need consider some special service/benefit for this amorphous, undefined group of people?

Do we need more growth? If so then how would government continue to provide the services it is already behind on without raising taxes even more?

Assuming this (raising taxes) to be necessary to obtain the services for this group of people, who must by definition not live here yet, then one conclusion which can be drawn is that those who have lived here for years, have built this city/county with hard work, pain, joy, tears, and the lives of their loved ones, are not to be considered important.

I write this because the area has grown to this point through their efforts yet they are to be taxed and their opinions discounted because they are not the attractive new fad.

They are to be punished with higher taxes, relatively less services in order to court and pay the ones not here.

Is this the thought process of those who continually seek something new and 'better'?; that those who are set in their ways, who have lived here forever or at least decades should now pay for the public entertainments of some 'creative class'?

Better to build a place of safety and low taxes where children and adults are safe to play and all have a place to do so.

Does this mean everyone should live in boxes stacked upon themselves, or in boxes in yards?

Perhaps it means we should have a choice, neither hendered by nor forced upon us by government.

Which in this case, as always, is the tool of meddlesome minorities, whereby they force their will on others.

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fed up said,

You are a Moron, first class that is.

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